Showing posts with label Civic Centre. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Civic Centre. Show all posts

04 July 2007

Civic Centre


Old postcard view of St Andrew's Church, St Andrew's Cross and Plymouth's municipal offices. This card is dated '24 July 1913' on the reverse.

Posted by Richard and Gill on Flickr More similar photos here

The imposing structure on the right with the dramatic looking tower is the old municpal offices. The fore runner of the Civic Centre. If this building was still standing you could understand people wanting to keep it. Not many people in Plymouth feel the same about the Civic centre!

The Evening Herld this week has interviewed members of the group which called for ths listing.

The Twentieth Century Society has been revealed as the organisation which asked English Heritage to protect the crumbling 14-storey building in Armada Way from demolition.Jon Wright, a caseworker for the society, said they were "very pleased" it had been given Grade II-listed status.The Twentieth Century Society is a charity that advises English Heritage.

"It's not really our job to answer questions about the economics of these places," said Mr Wright, who is originally from Exeter. "That these buildings get preserved for future generations is as far as our remit goes

"I understand that these issues raise hackles at the local level, but we can't
go looking to make friends."

Repairing the crumbling roof alone could cost as much as £1million, according to the council, but Mr Wright was unsympathetic."They'll just have to fix the roof, whether it costs £1 million or not," he said.

If these comments are reported correctly then the group is not being very helpful to its cause at all. This is just going to make peole even more angry than they are now. The tax payers of Plymouth will have every right to be angry that a faceless undemocratic group which few people have heard of, and seems to have made little, if any attempt to gather local opinion, has succeeded in this way. English Heritage itself can rightly come into criticism as another undemocratic body which does not seem to have made any effort to get the support of local people. When councils are under increasing financial strain it does seem odd that Plymouth is being told to spend money on a building that is not fit for purpose, is unloved by most of the people of Plymouth, and is in poor condition. Plymouth has lost many other fine buildings before which could have been saved - but werent. Greenbank Hospital, Longfield House (a fine old prison / court building) are but two which have been allowed to be taken down. Quite a few old church building too have been pulled down without much fanfare. Where were English Heritage then?

I can understand why some people want to save the building. I am all for preserving some buildings from the past if they can be kept in useful employment. With a bit of imagination most buildings, if they have been well built, can be. The Civic Centre does not seem to fall into this category.

There has been a big public swing behind building restoration over the past few years with a BBC TV programme seeing millions of people vote for local projects. This has been the key to getting old buildings saved. If you get the public behind you then it really does make all the difference. Sadly English Heritage and The Twentieth Century Society seem to have succeeded in getting the exact opposite.

30 June 2007

Civic Centre


© ncd_photo (Flickr blog this)

Although it may not be strictly a transport issue my posting on the Civic Centre has attracted more comments than any other posting I have made so it seems a good one to revisit for my 650th post to the blog.

In a way I am not suprised as the issue of its recent listing by English Heritage has enraged a lot of people and delighted a few others. It really is a case of love it or hate it (most do seem to hate it)

I must admit I am probably siding more with the 'knock it down' brigade - but not because I hate the building. I am in favour of preserving the past where it is feasible - its just in this case I dont think it is. Like many building of this time, it was quickly and cheaply built and is just not up to the job anymore. When public money is in short supply I cant see how it can be justified to spend the millions it would take to repair it. I am though worried as to what will appear in its place. Plymouth does have a habbit of building ugly!

There is a good potted history of the building on Plymouth Data which does give a hint as to some cost saving at the time of the build.

There are some wonderful photos on Flickr at the moment which show the building in its prime (if thats the right word!)


(cc) Webrarian: Some rights reserved.

These are just small images taken directly from Webrarians Flickr pages. They are best viewed in larger sizes directly from his own pages where they appear with a few other excellent photos of this iconic building.


23 June 2007

Plymouth Civic Centre Listed!


Normally I am all for protecting Plymouths historic buildings but this is amazing...

Plans to redevelop the heart of Plymouth were dealt a body blow yesterday with news that the crumbling Civic Centre building has been listed Grade II by English Heritage. The change in its status will make it harder and more expensive to redevelop the site.The news comes little more than a week after Plymouth City Council announced that it had chosen Exeter-based Rok Development to carry out its plan to demolish the building and redevelop the site.The new council headquarters would have been built at either Millbay or Bretonside. The Civic Centre would have been replaced by a mixed-use development.The Civic Centre needs structural repairs which would cost at least £10million.It is understood that the decision by English Heritage was taken after an application by six private individuals.

As you can imagine this news has not been welcomed by many people at all! The area is badly in need of redevelopment. The staff working in the building are among the many people who have expressed outrage that the building is being listed. Quite where this leaves the council and its plans remains to be seen. I think we will be hearing a lot more about this over the coming weeks.

17 April 2007

Civic Centre


© DoddyUK Blog via Flickr

Plymouth City Council has shortlisted two companies to help it redevelop the Civic Centre site. The authority has been considering what course of action to take since it was revealed that the Civic Centre was in need of major structural repairs that would cost at least £10million to complete. Options include building a mixed-use development on the Civic Centre site which would accommodate council staff and provide new homes for the city's Central Library and museum. This is Plymouth

This will be a major development and could have a massive impact on Plymouth City Centre. Lets just hope that the wait will be worth it...