31 July 2019

Go Cornwall Gone North West

As has been well reported in the comments recently the Volvo B7RLE Wright buses with Plymouth Citybus are heading North to Manchester where they will be joining Go North West, for former First Manchester depot recently taken over by Go Ahead. The first two have already been sent to Manchester 101 WA12ACO seen here and 109 WA12ADV

Photos thanks to Derek Cuff and James Grose

I look forward to seeing them in the smart new Go North West livery.

By coincidence I have just this evening uploaded my latest Go Ahead Group fleet list – Go North West although these two are not on it yet! (they will be soon though)


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Cornwall by Kernow

30 JUL 10:05 Service 21. Unfortunately, the bus has let us down. The 09.40 Newquay to St Austell has suffered a puncture. we are sourcing a replacement bus to resume the service as soon as possible. 30 JUL 11:44 Service 21. The 11:33 Nanpean to St Austell is currently being delayed at Whitemoor due to a power line across the road. This could affect the 12:13 St Austell to Newquay depending on how long the bus will be stuck there. We will keep you informed. 30 JUL 12:17 Service 21/22.Police have closed the road between Nanpean and Foxhole. Until the road is opened we will need to divert from the bottom of Nanpean, down to St Stpehens resuming route at Highstreet. Sorry but, we will NOT be able to serve Foxhole for the duration of this closure. 30 JUL 13: 45 The 35 service is currently unable to serve Oakfield Road as works vehicles are obstructing the road where the drainage works are being carried out, we are very sorry for the inconvenience caused  30 JUL 17:55 Due to a water Leak 15:30 Has Broken Down At Paynters Lane End We have Put a Bus In Place To cover The Services

Stagecoach SouthWest

30 JUL 14:14 Service 200 Coypool P&R delayed Service due to congestion at Gydinia Way 30 JUL 15:04 14 service accident at Ham Drive, delays possible 30 JUL 16:02 Dartmouth P&R is operating with one Bus only due to a broken down vehicle. 30 JUL 17:39 THE 1 SERVICE AT 17.25 FROM TAVISTOCK IS NOT OPERATING DUE TO AN INTERNAL ISSUE. 30 JUL 17:41 BOTH VEHICLES OPERATING NOW ON DARTMOUTH P&R. SERVICE RESUME TO NORMAL

Plymouth Citybus

30 JUL 11:38 Service Update 1130: #PCB51 1130 from Derriford unfortunately is not running this is due to an onboard medical emergency. Next bus will be the 1150 departure. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause 30 JUL 15:17 Service update: #PCB35A are currently running the 35 route due to an RTC. We are sorry for any inconvenience and hope to have normal service restored as soon as possible. 30 JUL 17:34 Service update: 1730 all services are running we do have some delays to services this evening average is about 7 minutes. Customer Experience are here to help until 1800 this evening and from 0800 tomorrow morning on 01752 662271 or customer.experience@plymouthbus.co.uk 30 JUL 18:00 Roadworks this evening-Mannamead Rd is closed from Mutley Plain to Seymour Rd from 1900-0600. Mutley customers DONOT use 42/42A/42B/42C/27B/28A these will go via Alexandra Rd Efford Lane to Henders Corner 40/41/44/44A will use Weston Park Rd to Manadon Rb and will serve Mutley

South West Falcon 

29 JUL 22:49 Falcon update: All Northbound Falcons to Bristol are expected to be delayed by 20 mins at Taunton due to the offramp closure at Junction 25 until 0600 30/07/19. The service will serve the Bridgwater stop before reaching Taunton 29 JUL 23:25 The 2300 Falcon service to Bristol will be running 45 minutes late due to technical issues. We apologise for any inconvenience caused. 30 JUL 03:55 The 0430 Falcon service from Plymouth is currently not running due to technical issues. We will update you when the service is running again. Our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause. 30 JUL 04:18 The 0430 Falcon service from Plymouth is now running and will be 15 minutes late. Thank you for your continued patience. 30 JUL 17:36 Falcon. 1720 Falcon off Plymouth is running 20 minutes late due to having to change coaches over. Sorry for the delay.

86 comments:

  1. So if they're disappearing, wheres their replacements?

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  2. I really do think it is a shame to see these great vehicles moving on!

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  3. rumour has it that there's a batch of 64 plate Enviro200s coming down from London to replace a batch of older buses

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    1. if this is true, these will be the YY64 *** buses from Go-Ahead London which have central doors, meaning less seating. They look very similar to the YX09 buses with Citybus now.

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  4. they will be converted to single door

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    1. any idea when they're arriving Graham?

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  5. No, I have my sources.. I heard some 200 mmcs are coming down straight from factory free wifi comfibale seating with next stop announcements

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    1. 200 MMCS thats quite alot, but then you can say with next stop announcements but the SPARK buses had them but never ended up using it anyway,
      the list would be E400citys for 50/51 Yellows To 42s, E200s and E200minis from london and New MMC200s, but im sure there is not 200 coming to us, but lets see what does happen

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    2. Obviously they meant E200s lol. I'm fairly sure the E400 Citys are going on the 42. E200 MMCs for 11/11a. Just no idea on branding.

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  6. They are not saying there will be 200 buses - just that they will be Enviro 200 MMCs!

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  7. The Enviro400 Citys will be going on 42s. Unless theres more than 10 arriving in which case they may go to the 50. Meaning Yellows to 42. Could get quite confusing seeing Yellows on 42 however.

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  8. hI, It is enviro 200 source guy again, it was confirmed they will run on the 34 possibly and the 12,

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  9. Because PCB Are wanting all environment friendly buses, a bit like London so they are scrapping lots of old ones and getting new enviro's.

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  10. Of course it makes sense for them to get new buses if they're cheaper to run...
    Saying they'll run on certain routes however, i don't think Citybus will have brought in buses for particular routes - however because of the newer buses for cornwall, i think the newer MMCs will be mostly for Cornwall.

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  11. After many talks with Plymouth bus drivers, it is confirmed of the following will happen:
    10 x Enviro 200 (2014 model from London) will be replacing the first batch of citaros for the services 35/35A/61/62.
    10 x Enviro 200 MMC (New from factory) will be operating various routes around Plymouth.
    10 x Enviro 400 City will be operating the 50/51.
    The YellowFlash buses will go on to the 42s, excluding 537 which is going to either be swooped or put into a special livery. Most likely All Saints like 538
    The second batch of citaros will be put onto the service 11. (Confirmed by Driver Mentor and Lead Driver)

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    1. 10x Enviro 200 (2014) - there's only 15 Citaros in the fleet. 8 55 plate, 7 56 plate, so this would be interesting to see how the remaining Citaros would run on the 11/11a - this also seems a backwards move considering they were only running on that route just before the Wrights were.

      Yellow Flash going to the 42s is only going to cause confusion in my opinion and i've also heard that all Flash branding is going, so wouldn't be surprised to see random Enviros places on that route ( as is the case now)

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    2. Surely if they're only replacing the first batch of Citaros then that's replacing 8 not 10? Meaning there would be enough buses to cover the 11

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    3. I have already seen 65 plate Enviros and 56 plate Citaros on the route. Not sure what's going on right now!

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    4. There are now 6 service busses in the first batch of citaros as 80 and 81 are driver trainers

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    5. in case anyone's wondering, it's the SE--- numbered Enviro's which are replacing the Citaros / Scanias - pictured here... https://www.flickr.com/photos/dartspryte2018/48114469008

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    6. "10 x Enviro 200 (2014 model from London) will be replacing the first batch of citaros for the services 35/35A/61/62.
      10 x Enviro 200 MMC (New from factory) will be operating various routes around Plymouth.
      10 x Enviro 400 City will be operating the 50/51."

      What about the replacements for the Wrights? or is this the 400Citys?

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    7. The enviro 200s from London are the weights replacements as they are replacing the first batch of citaros which operate the 35/35a/61/62 as well as the second batch that operate that route which will go on the 11/11a. The enviro 400 citys are a replacement for the red flash which is a replacement for the yellow flash as these(yellow flash) will go on the 42s.

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    8. That still doesn't make sense as theres 16 buses being replaced by 10 Enviro 200s?

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    9. Most busses are out of service at milehouse and will go out if needed and 6 of those busses will now not be anywhere. The plaxton presidents will go as well.

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  12. They are replacing the 6 CITAROS and 4 SCANIAS. (82/83/84/85/86/87/370/371/372/373)

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    1. Any news of when these buses are coming? Seems like lots of talk and nothing materialising at the moment

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  13. 106 has gone as well.

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    1. Absolute rubbish.....only 101 and 109 have gone to Manchester.

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  14. 103 and 105 both in service in Plymouth today (17/8/19), 105 on 42 and 103 on 11.

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  15. Keep an eye out at Hants & Dorset Trim, seeing a lot of London General Enviro200's heading that way!

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    1. So there are more than 10?

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    2. i believe the buses are from the 100 Route in London, YY64 plate, SE2***. Not sure how many of them run on that route so can't be sure how many are actually coming this way. If anyone else knows please let us know.

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    3. Looking at the GA London fleet lists theres SE213 - SE231 so potentially 18 buses headed this way however i dont think there will be that many

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  16. SE221-SE231 work the 100 in London and are due to continue until 21st September. According to LVF all are still in London

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    1. Thanks for that! have been keeping an eye on H&D Trim as expect them to be converted there. a few 10 plate E200s there atm

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    2. SE221 & SE230 don't seem to be running on the 100 any more, with SE222 > 229 and SE231 still running on the route (as of 23rd Sep). Some of the YX11 plate SE's running the route atm

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  17. interesting to see which buses are running which routes these days while the older buses start to depart.

    20/20A has featured the Scanias, 56, 08, 09, 65 Env 200s and the 05 plate Darts.
    42s have featured the 06, 63, 65 plate Env 400s with the occasional run of a MAN or a Enviro 200
    11s have had 56 plate Citaros, 08 and 65 plate Enviro 200s and the remainder of the Wright Eclipses
    12s have also featured the Wrights and 56/08/09/65 plate Env 200s, as well as the occasional E400
    34s have been mostly 06 plate Enviros however have been seeing the older Tridents running the route again recently.

    There's recently been some issues with the Enviro City 400s, as Enviro400s and / or Tridents have come in to cover them.

    Anyone else noticed any other changes to buses on routes?

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    1. Lately the 42s have seen at least 7 06 plate enviro 400s a day and the 34s have busses from school services in the morning operating the route. There was 373 on the 9 the other day as 158 was operating 40/41/44/44a for a while. The 35/35a/61/62 seems to have more 08 plate enviro 200s operating now as the citaros have been on 11s and 12s and PR3s. Also the PR3 seems to have single deckers operating now. The enviro 400 citys are having to catch up with a different trip as 4 came in at the same time the other day. The 28s yesterday were running with 3 citaros and 461 as the man eco cities were on the 5/5a and 43.

      134 was also running a 43 on Monday as 701 was on the 42 and 704 had broken down.

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    2. Been seeing the ex London 06 plates on the 21s and 50s lately! Seen Wrights on 72, MAN EcoCitys on the 5, the odd Citaro on the 11, most of them are on the 61/62 with some of the Tridents also filling in. Saw a 63 plate Enviro400 on 34 today.

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    3. Man eco citys now run the 5/5a exept on a Sunday when it interworks with the 25.

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  18. Bluestar have just taken delivery of 8 (HF69 plate) E200MMCs Fleet Nos 267 to 274 - could this be some of the batch meant for PCB which some people were discussing previously?

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  19. The second batch of citaros are going to be for the 11 so it would make sense if there were enviro 200s on the 35/35a/61/62 and citaros for the extra busses needed on the 11/11a.

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    1. Seeing lots more 65 plate E200s on the 11 then Citaros of late.

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  20. The enviros from London could have white led displays. 138 does.

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    1. 138 is a repair job, the old display was dying - 138s display also was previously on 108 i believe for a time

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  21. 133 is due for withdrawal due to it looking rather dilapidated with bar steel showing in most places

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    1. Anonymous26 September 2019 at 11:36 you would not belive how long ago 133 was reported though... from email i had from the depot staff its planned to be done but they have been way to busy with the repaints that there more important

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    2. 133 is back on the road, was in service, I think 28s on Wednesday (2/10)

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  22. Few rumours going around are that 133/134/135 are going to be withdrawn along with Scanias and 55 plate Mercs.
    Unsure how true but seeing as Bradleys comment mentions 133 being withdrawn, wouldn't be too surprised. The 64 plate Enviros are still running in London, so not sure when they'll arrive. 104, 107, 108 are definitely still around, haven't seen any others of late though.

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    1. What happened to 106

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    2. Still here. 100, 102-108 are all still with Citybus currently. All running various routes. Noticed on PR3, 89, 11, 12 and 72

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    3. 106 now back in service on 5/5a.

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    4. 106 is no longer in service with Citybus, seems like it's been de-branded

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  23. Hopefully the enviro 200s from London will work as the enviro 400s that came down were near the end. 460 had a battery issue but is now back In service. The PR3 seemed to break down whilst being run by these.

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  24. 109 (WA12 ADV) is the first of the buses to have the GNW livery!

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  25. I have heard that the E200s from London aren't due until 2020. The BYDs which are replacing them are not due to the 100 route until January

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  26. 109

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/162951190@N02/48815582001/

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  27. E200s from London not due until at least Q1 2020, the 9 E400 Citys were meant to be here back in the spring, The E200MMCs haven't arrived yet, and theres no news on when they will either!

    The current planned withdrawal list is looking like 133, 134 135, All 55 plate Citaros, 06 plate Scanias, the remainder of the East Lancs and Tridents. Not sure if they're keeping them on site or not. Not sure what will happen to the very few remaining Dart SLFs either. The MPDs from London seem to be staying for now!

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  28. I don't know where you got your sources from but theres not been any order for E200MMCs or E400s yet unless they've been made by GA rather than PCB and will be cascaded through the group.

    As for the withdrawals there's no news on anything apart from the Wrights leaving for GNW. The rest of that is absolute rubbish!

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    1. The only buses on order for Plymouth Citybus are 11 x E400 Cities, but whether Citybus or GA ordered them is not known.

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    2. Theres not 11, theres only 9 according to their CH financial business statement.

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    3. Theres also the E200 batch from London to come down too. Some people still not sure if they're coming here or GNW though

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    4. There are 11 x E400 city’s expected, the order was increased from 9 to 11 after the financial business statement was published!

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    5. i guess this makes sense considering the delay. Also makes sense to see them in Swoops - don't know how they could make another "SPARK" livery

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    6. PCB are rising fares again to invest in their fleet. 11 new low emission busses are due to hit the road next month. These could be the enviro 400 citys. It is a bit strange as they have not arrived yet.

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  29. the yellows are going on the 42 but are being swooped before entering service. we are not geting e200mmcs, i asked the boss this ages ago and didnt have a clue wot i was on about, and he puts the order in!

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  30. Safe to say Flash Branding is going. The repaints are happening faster now. Saw a RedFlash on A38 out of service. It's rather nice to see the E400s in swoops now.

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  31. Why did PCB decide to loose the flash branding?

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  32. They are losing the flash branding as too many of the flash buses (mainly red and blue) are never on the correct route. E.g: today, 104 is on the 35/35A/61/62 and 507/513 are on the 12/12B as well as 505/506 on Callywith College runs with 537

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    1. Hopefully they will ditch the 'Go Cornwall Bus' branding too, its so stupid as half the time i've seen them working inner city services! The flash was never going to work and I said it from the beginning, I'm glad its gone, hopefully the Spark brand will go too in time, although the interiors may need a minor touch to remove the spark logos on the seats if they did. I'd much rather PCB went more consistent in its branding, however maybe some route branding like Brighton & Hove or First Bristol would be good.

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    2. The more I look at 565 and see the Swoops on the E400City, the more I don't like it. I don't feel like the livery works with the bus. Take Bluestar as an example, they've been modifying their livery to suit buses, and it works really nicely!

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  33. When 503,509 and 516 were red flash they were mainly In cornwall but now they have been repainted (especially 509) they are on the 42s.

    What has happened to dart 61 as I haven't seen it for a while?

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    1. Spotterz_DeonHD...absolute rubbish, 61 is VOR not withdrawn.

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    2. 61 hasn't been seen running a service for quite a while. It's also no longer recorded on bustimes which is pointing to a withdrawl (unless it's never been trackable). Also noting 82 hasn't been used for 2 weeks so wondering if it's VOR? 463 & 475 also not been used since 21st September (conversions?) Please correct me if i'm wrong

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    3. 463 was back out after conversion yesterday. 106 has been rebranded ready to go up north

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  34. Got a few E200s coming from Go Ahead "East Yorkshire" according to Stephen Knight Media - "ADL Dart/Enviro 200s 349-52 have left this fleet on October 22ndand have been transferred as expected to Plymouth."

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  35. There's a good picture of WA12 ADV in Manchester in its new Go North West livery in today's (24/10/19) Oxford & Chiltern Bus Page [www.oxford-chiltern-bus-page.co.uk].

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  36. It looks like 103 and 105 may be the next Wrights to depart. 103 normally based at Bodmin is now at Milehouse. 105 not been in service today, also at Milehouse.

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  37. 108 was on PR3 yesterday not 106 I think.

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    1. you are right - I have just checked my photos - it was 108! Thanks

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  38. 106 has not been de-branded to go North.

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  39. The new enviro 400 citys arrived last week and 576 is branded for Nancy astor 100 years since women in parliament.

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