tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post7980803086050937890..comments2024-03-28T18:54:00.518+00:00Comments on Plymothian Transit: Out with the old…didbygrahamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-393619177534804642015-07-19T21:35:50.648+01:002015-07-19T21:35:50.648+01:00Most of the buses are coming from reserve fleets ....Most of the buses are coming from reserve fleets .Oxford has got 10 plate Enviro 300s in reserve .Wales has got 40 E300s replaced this year so some will probably end up in Plymouth .Yorkshire has got 20 E400 on loan .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-4579936146518327272015-07-17T08:41:43.288+01:002015-07-17T08:41:43.288+01:00First were always doing well in torpoint. First were always doing well in torpoint. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-14488321786143662722015-07-16T19:33:58.847+01:002015-07-16T19:33:58.847+01:00well I've noticed sc in exeter has reduced som...well I've noticed sc in exeter has reduced some fares it used to be £1.60 roughly from the high street to st David's station now only a £1 think that's good value myself sc have already got day tickets from ivy bridge into plymouth. hmm will they carry that across plymouth. also there explorer tickets are 7.50 and covers a larger area than pcb. maybe they will charge same as city bus who knows will have to wait and see!Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804798175131571973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-1234507086581826242015-07-16T09:15:56.445+01:002015-07-16T09:15:56.445+01:00They need the drivers too. They could have built ...They need the drivers too. They could have built a new depot from scratch but then finding a hundred or more drivers in one go is something else entirely. This way they're up and running quickly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-8489104796868236242015-07-16T08:30:00.392+01:002015-07-16T08:30:00.392+01:00Are we reading the same article? How does that pro...Are we reading the same article? How does that prove there is to be a bus war? SC are clearly reviewing the routes and getting rid of the under performing ones (ie most of them). This article is more about preparing people for the cuts which are about to happen. didbygrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-33085754684338815062015-07-16T06:04:19.040+01:002015-07-16T06:04:19.040+01:00http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Stagecoach-review-...http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Stagecoach-review-bus-network-takes-Plymouth/story-26901264-detail/story.html, this proves that theres going to be a bus warAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-12240796605316008812015-07-16T01:44:23.008+01:002015-07-16T01:44:23.008+01:00Understand that but surely they don't need to ...Understand that but surely they don't need to buy the whole operation just to obtain a depot? After all, they'll have all the transition costs and the historic liabilities.<br /><br />Also, bit of a difference in having drivers pootling around Saltash and getting them to do Megabus work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-46818172227246703952015-07-15T23:47:17.051+01:002015-07-15T23:47:17.051+01:00I cant see their VOSA registrations being part of ...I cant see their VOSA registrations being part of any tactic,They have to register services by set deadlines which get published by VOSA. They cant delay any or hide them from the opposition in anyway. The rules are the same for all operators. SC dont not want to run into Torpoint. First were clearly not making any money there so why would SC want to run them at a loss as well? didbygrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-79289416422099292252015-07-15T23:42:23.974+01:002015-07-15T23:42:23.974+01:00Its believed that additional Megabus duties are co...Its believed that additional Megabus duties are coming to Plymouth soon so additional drivers will be needed for them as well. didbygrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-20236241738270221382015-07-15T23:40:41.152+01:002015-07-15T23:40:41.152+01:00The depot is clearly the biggest draw for Stagecoa...The depot is clearly the biggest draw for Stagecoach as they are desperate for space. didbygrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-58681349420934439692015-07-15T23:39:41.014+01:002015-07-15T23:39:41.014+01:00Not from what I have heard - thats it. Waiting to ...Not from what I have heard - thats it. Waiting to see though as things do changedidbygrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-4493490380825512682015-07-15T22:41:06.875+01:002015-07-15T22:41:06.875+01:00It will be interesting to see what emerges over th...It will be interesting to see what emerges over the coming days. Just because certain route numbers are already registered in the country means little - Stagecoach quite like route names, and of course are well used to route letters in Exeter. <br />The way in which they are submitting Registrations may even be a tactic, do the obvious country routes first, and keep them guessing at Milehouse in the city, although that might be causing some nerves at the Civic Centre as they wonder what holes they might have to fill under tender.<br />As for Torpoint, that's a puzzle. Lots of dead mileage to run it from The Ride, and of course not just the mileage but the time on the ferry. And even in service it's two buses sat doing nothing all the time slowly chugging across the water. Conversely two operators for this long must mean there are fares to be had. <br />We live, as they say, in interesting times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-30482339866975195252015-07-15T21:10:03.205+01:002015-07-15T21:10:03.205+01:00Ah yes. Bus drivers and canteen talk. Always the m...Ah yes. Bus drivers and canteen talk. Always the most reliable of sources!Darryl1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/08752208655180245529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-81692110042775728612015-07-15T20:59:50.031+01:002015-07-15T20:59:50.031+01:00Stagecoach will need to have a network as big as F...Stagecoach will need to have a network as big as First at least to keep all the drivers in jobs, Plus leasing nearly 50 buses off First and whatever they are bringing in from day 1. So must be some city services coming soon on VOSAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-27463536112089472792015-07-15T20:58:25.152+01:002015-07-15T20:58:25.152+01:00Perhaps if First charged the correct fares to pass...Perhaps if First charged the correct fares to passengers then perhaps they would still be in business in Plymouth. Citybus are not rip-off merchants they charge what is required to run a business. It's looking very likely that SC are not running any additional services in Plymouth other than what is on VOSA now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-38732764209795384562015-07-15T19:57:22.620+01:002015-07-15T19:57:22.620+01:00There are no 'negotiations' to be had.
S...There are no 'negotiations' to be had. <br />Stagecoach want a presence in the city, to protect the North and the East, to gain efficiencies by moving some workings into Plymouth from the East, the engineering base, and have an extra use for the base. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-25314142529732487172015-07-15T18:55:01.502+01:002015-07-15T18:55:01.502+01:00Lots of new SC registrations on VOSA today but sti...Lots of new SC registrations on VOSA today but still no Plymouth ones except Park And Rides and school ones. Sure there must be more ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-89062153912759854142015-07-15T18:29:22.792+01:002015-07-15T18:29:22.792+01:00I heard a First driver the other day say that ther...I heard a First driver the other day say that theres going to be a bus war in Plymouth once Stagecoach come in, time to put the rip-off merchants that are PCB out of businessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-17389643102861343542015-07-15T18:27:56.999+01:002015-07-15T18:27:56.999+01:00Anon 12:51 here again!
Clearly, both First AND Go...Anon 12:51 here again!<br /><br />Clearly, both First AND Go Ahead have been hurting in Plymouth on the competitive corridors. GA thought that a weakened First may just walk away as in Northampton. That didn't happen and Stagecoach is clearly a more robust adversary and having purchased the operations, they won't be walking away soon. I'd be surprised if Stagecoach were to just surrender Saltash, Torpoint, Mount Batten et al unilaterally; they would expect that they will use those as bargaining chips in order to obtain the best settlement.<br /><br />Similarly, I don't expect some large Stagecoach offensive into PCB territory. They have enough issues sourcing sufficient vehicles and managing the transition to contemplate that. However, if GA don't retreat from hitherto First territory, then Stagecoach may look at extending into the city.<br /><br />Therefore, I think the initial registrations will be broadly similar to the First network but then they'll need to see what they've bought and assess the competitive environment; GA will also be looking at their competitive services and assessing the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-65718502102806739912015-07-15T17:28:28.431+01:002015-07-15T17:28:28.431+01:00I agree to a point that SC may well not launch Cit...I agree to a point that SC may well not launch City wide network at first but they will also not simply just launch similar network to First. First made a loss for years in Plymouth, Stagecoach would do too if they just carry on as First did! I can not see them giving away Saltash unless 'cough' they have got something good in return! Torpoint may be a different matter, I would not be surprised to see PCB cancellation (s) soon, Tavistock especiallyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-85096921135104022862015-07-15T16:35:00.614+01:002015-07-15T16:35:00.614+01:00Realistically why would stagecoach buy a company t...Realistically why would stagecoach buy a company that makes a loss and run it in the same way as first. They will have to cut it back and consolidate. It looks like they have focused on what will make them some money. This will leave pcb to focus on improving there services rather than worrying about what the others are doing. This can only be win win for the customers of Plymouth and that's what it is all about at the end of the dayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-1888753720156446102015-07-15T15:18:37.189+01:002015-07-15T15:18:37.189+01:00Here here to the last comment. Bet Stagecoach will...Here here to the last comment. Bet Stagecoach will have better quality buses than First so lets look to the futureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-77213350560557127422015-07-15T14:34:31.917+01:002015-07-15T14:34:31.917+01:00Well said. Well said. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-56996743754588300542015-07-15T12:51:10.124+01:002015-07-15T12:51:10.124+01:00As per Graham and others posts, I don't see a ...As per Graham and others posts, I don't see a massive new Stagecoach network for Plymouth but instead to go for almost a like for like replacement of First. Undoubtedly, there will have to be rationalisation but Stagecoach's position will be weakened if they unilaterally give up routes like Saltash before negotiations begin (unless they have already).<br /><br />Wish the anti-PCB brigade would give it a rest. If they were that bad, how come First never managed to dislodge them and ultimately couldn't make the area pay. I suspect Stagecoach will have more success as there will be a peace dividend (a reduction in competition) and they will look to develop some sadly neglected servicesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-11202139053846600852015-07-15T10:53:36.822+01:002015-07-15T10:53:36.822+01:00Further predictable Stagecoach registrations comin...Further predictable Stagecoach registrations coming through today - Dartmouth P & R, Dartmoor Summer Services and Plymouth to Kingsbridge. Nothing on more interesting 'City' network or SE Cornwall yet! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com